My disdain for tRump is unmistakable. However, in an effort
to understand why people support him, I engage them on threads from time to
time. I try to ask pertinent questions, but often end up in name-calling contests.
As a result, I’ve amassed a pretty hefty collection of
articles that attempt to explain the mindset of his supporters.
Here goes. Pour a glass of wine. Get comfortable and let me know if any of the links do not work.
From the Atlantic: “Trump supporters were
also more likely than Clinton voters to feel that “the American way of life is
threatened,” and that high-status groups, like men, Christians, and whites, are
discriminated against.” https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/558674/?__twitter_impression=true
NYT article on the same study:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
But do they see this?
Paul Krugman: “Trumpland is voting for its own impoverishment.”
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/paul-krugman-trumps-supporters-have-voted-their-own-economic-ruin
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/paul-krugman-trumps-supporters-have-voted-their-own-economic-ruin
As much as we want to believe supporters are just plain
stupid, there’s a mindset that is suspicious of facts and different beliefs is
what constitutes the truth.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believing_in_lies.html
From Pacific Standard: "Inside the Minds of Hardcore tRump Supporters" points to a mind-set that embraces authoritarianism and minority resentment.
If you believe you “suffered” under Obama, here are some responses.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/22/trump-voters-say-suffered-8-years-obama-heres-perfect-response/
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believing_in_lies.html
From Pacific Standard: "Inside the Minds of Hardcore tRump Supporters" points to a mind-set that embraces authoritarianism and minority resentment.
If you believe you “suffered” under Obama, here are some responses.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/22/trump-voters-say-suffered-8-years-obama-heres-perfect-response/
Rural America is steeped in Fundamentalism, racism, and lack
of trust in education. Such a closed system leads to a susceptibility to
propaganda. “The real problem is that rural Americans don’t understand
the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in
finding out.”
https://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem
https://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem
Contains a good listing of shady financial affiliations that
apparently don’t bother supporters
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/michael-cohen-and-the-end-stage-of-the-trump-presidency
The cult-like mentality of supporters.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-aslan-trump-cultists-20171106-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-aslan-trump-cultists-20171106-story.html
More on the cult-like mentality.
https://psmag.com/news/a-sociologist-explains-the-similarities-between-cults-and-trumps-gop
https://psmag.com/news/a-sociologist-explains-the-similarities-between-cults-and-trumps-gop
And more. "Trying to pry them apart from Trump, to make them somehow see the light and turn on him, is a time- and energy-wasting exercise." From Charles Blow of the New York Times.
Another explanation is the Dunning-Kruger effect in which people with little knowledge assume they have more.
A thorough discussion on the psychology of tRump supporters by Bobby Azarian, PhD, a cognitive neuroscientist.
Azarian also discusses the belief by his supporters that tRump is a Messiah. Very scary.
Trump and his supporters hate the same people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-people-like-trump/2018/07/23/36514540-8ea2-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.5f561d402ecd&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
Another explanation is the Dunning-Kruger effect in which people with little knowledge assume they have more.
A thorough discussion on the psychology of tRump supporters by Bobby Azarian, PhD, a cognitive neuroscientist.
Azarian also discusses the belief by his supporters that tRump is a Messiah. Very scary.
Trump and his supporters hate the same people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-people-like-trump/2018/07/23/36514540-8ea2-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.5f561d402ecd&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
What to say to those who disparage Hillary Clinton
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/04/25/when-you-say-hillary-would-have-been-worse-you-sound-ridiculous/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=John%20PavlovitzPavlovitz asks supporters what they like about him.
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/06/16/trump-supporter-love/
Survey shows that supporters voted for tRump because of
racism, not economic anxiety.
https://www.thenation.com/article/economic-anxiety-didnt-make-people-vote-trump-racism-did/ And they don't see his corruption, but rather the corruption of traditional male-centric values, according to The Atlantic, Why tRump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt.
Maybe it’s not up to us to try to understand them. Call them
out for who they are.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/13/1763987/-It-s-Not-Our-Job-To-Understand-Trump-Voters-It-s-Their-Job-To-Understand-Us?detail=emaildkre
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/13/1763987/-It-s-Not-Our-Job-To-Understand-Trump-Voters-It-s-Their-Job-To-Understand-Us?detail=emaildkre
And if all else fails…
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/25/1774930/-How-to-treat-Trump-and-his-supporters-Shame-them-shun-them-and-show-them-the-door?detail=emaildkre
Harsh but spot on. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/4/1777434/-The-Times-finally-gets-to-the-bottom-of-Trump-supporters-It-turns-out-they-re-garbage-human-beings?detail=emaildkre
Here’s the link to the New York Times article cited:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/opinion/trumps-purple-family-values.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur
Bigotry and intolerance lead to authoritarianism.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-effect-new-study-connects-white-american-intolerance-support-authoritarianism-ncna877886Bigotry and intolerance lead to authoritarianism.
Support for the GOP may be coming from the fact that interns
in their organizations are more likely to be paid.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/right-wing-millennial-machine_us_5b049aebe4b07c4ea102e0c3
His supporters dig in.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/politics/republican-voters-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
But are they beginning to see the cracks in tRump’s façade?
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21775485/migrant-child-crisis-trump-presidency/
Conspiracy theorists
What’s behind conspiracy theorists?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/americans-buying-rabid-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories-120653906.html
What’s behind conspiracy theorists?
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/americans-buying-rabid-pro-trump-conspiracy-theories-120653906.html
A really deep dive into QAnon from The Atlantic.
From MIT Technology Review, "How to talk to conspiracy theorists."
From The Conversation, rules of engagement for conspiracy theorists.
Debunking Hillary’s conspiracy theorists: http://americannewsx.com/hot-off-the-press/debunked-hillary-conspiracy-theories/
From MIT Technology Review, "How to talk to conspiracy theorists."
From The Conversation, rules of engagement for conspiracy theorists.
Debunking Hillary’s conspiracy theorists: http://americannewsx.com/hot-off-the-press/debunked-hillary-conspiracy-theories/
“Now, Republican consultants are
concerned that the combination of their voters’ insulation from reality — and
Donald Trump’s fragile ego — could cost the party control of the House.”
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/2018-midterms-trump-red-wave-gop-base-delusional-fake-news.html?utm_source=fb
“Once you grasp that for Trump and many
of his supporters, corruption means less the violation of law than the
violation of established hierarchies, their behavior makes more sense.” And,
“For many Republicans, Trump remains uncorrupt—indeed, anticorrupt—because what
they fear most isn’t the corruption of American law; it’s the corruption of
America’s traditional identity.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/?utm_source=fbb
I’ve read most of the current books that are critical of
tRump and focus on his corruption and collusion. This article focuses on the
pro-tRump books that have been written. Looks like they confirm the glory
bestowed on him by Faux news and his supporters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2018/08/15/i-read-six-sycophantic-pro-trump-books-and-then-i-read-omarosa/?utm_term=.a428a9db934d&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2018/08/15/i-read-six-sycophantic-pro-trump-books-and-then-i-read-omarosa/?utm_term=.a428a9db934d&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
The White Women Phenomenon
And GASP the block of white women who support tRump and came out in support of Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court.
From the New York Times
White Women, Come Get Your People
At tRump Rallies, Women See a Hero Protecting a Way of Life
From The Guardian
Women aren't a monolith – and the white women supporting Kavanaugh prove it
From the Associated Press
Many women line up in support of Kavanaugh pick
From The Guardian: Half of white women continue to vote Republican. What's wrong with them?
From Vogue magazine: Why Do White Women Keep Voting for the GOP and Against Their Own Interests?
tRumpers speak
A comment from Jan Verhoeff in response to my questioning
why women would ever support trump: And GASP the block of white women who support tRump and came out in support of Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court.
From the New York Times
White Women, Come Get Your People
At tRump Rallies, Women See a Hero Protecting a Way of Life
From The Guardian
Women aren't a monolith – and the white women supporting Kavanaugh prove it
From the Associated Press
Many women line up in support of Kavanaugh pick
From The Guardian: Half of white women continue to vote Republican. What's wrong with them?
From Vogue magazine: Why Do White Women Keep Voting for the GOP and Against Their Own Interests?
tRumpers speak
“Sally,
I'm far more shocked at the women who don't support him. Their reasoning lacks
insight into real world situations, relevant fact patterns, and any possible
understanding of capitalism. I suppose, if women are truly ignorant of the
economy, business development, and negotiating opportunities, they might be
against someone like Trump. But I thought most women were smarter than that...
Then I see people such as yourself, Sally, commenting, and I know, I've
overestimated a good portion of the population. What a sad statement about
womanhood in this generation, you're all an embarrassment to women who really do
work and support themselves in these times.
“And… And there's another
reason not to trust the pussy hat wearing, vagina exposing women who claim
feminism as a position of strength. They can't speak without degrading the
language and dropping f-bombs in the face of a logical discussion. Their
ability to think with anything north of their genitalia just isn't an option.
Thank you, Sally Bahner for the rather obvious reminder of who you really are.”
An analysis by Ed Mastoloni of Madison, Connecticut, of what
he believes trump has accomplished:
“Since we are now
almost a year and a half into Trump’s presidency, here is a list of some
extraordinary things he has done — for both good and ill — is nothing short of
remarkable. Trump inspires such deep emotions in his critics and supporters
that many have struggled to objectively assess his presidency. Some are so
blinded by their hatred of Trump that they refuse to acknowledge the good he
has done, while others are so blinded by the devotion that they overlook almost
any transgression.
“Like all
elected presidents (I didn't vote for him or HRC), I’ve tried to give Trump the
credit he deserves when he does the right thing, while calling him out when he
does the wrong thing. So, here is my list of the 10 best things Trump has done
in his first 11 months. 10. He enforced President Barack Obama’s red line
against Syria’s use of chemical weapons. When the regime of Bashar al-Assad
used a toxic nerve agent on innocent men, women and children, Trump didn’t
wring his hands. He acted quickly and decisively, restoring America’s
credibility on the world stage that Obama had squandered.
9. He has taken a surprisingly tough line with Russia. Trump approved a $47 million arms package for Ukraine, sent troops to Poland’s border with Russia and imposed new sanctions on Moscow for violating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.
8. He recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Four American presidents promised to do it, but only one actually did. This is why the American people elected Trump. He does what he promises to do, for better or for worse — in this case, definitely for the better. Even Jeb Bush tweeted his approval.
7. He withdrew from the Paris climate agreement. After George W. Bush pulled out of the disastrous Kyoto treaty, U.S. emissions went down faster than much of Europe. The same will be true for Trump’s departure from the Paris accord. Combined with his approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, and opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to exploration, Trump is helping usher in a new age of American energy development.
6. He got NATO allies to kick in $12 billion more toward our collective security. Decades of pleading by the Bush and Obama administrations failed to get NATO allies to meet their financial commitments to the alliance, but Trump’s tough talk and reticence to affirm America’s Article V commitment did the trick. NATO is stronger as a result.
5. He has virtually eliminated the Islamic State’s physical caliphate. Trump removed the constraints Obama placed on our military and let it drive the terrorists from their strongholds.
4. He admitted he was wrong on Afghanistan and reversed Obama’s disastrous withdrawal. In a rare admission, Trump declared: “My original instinct was to pull out . . . But all my life, I’ve heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office. . . . A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum for terrorists.”
3. He enacted historic tax and regulatory reform that has unleashed economic growth. Trump signed the first comprehensive tax reform in three decades and removed the wet blanket of Obama-era regulations smothering our economy. We are now heading into our third consecutive quarter of above 3 percent growth.
2. He is installing conservative judges who will preside for decades. With his appointment of Neil M. Gorsuch, Trump secured a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, and he is moving at record pace to fill the federal appeals courts with young conservative judges.
1. He, not Hillary Clinton, was inaugurated as president. Trump delivered the coup de grace that ended the corrupt, dishonest Clinton political machine.
There are many other significant achievements that did not make the top 10. Trump has taken a clear, strong stand against the narco-dictatorship in Venezuela, and he renamed the “Asia-Pacific” the “Indo-Pacific” to include India in the larger task of preventing Chinese hegemony in Asia. Trump has made clear that he is willing to use force to stop North Korea from deploying nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of destroying U.S. cities — which has prompted China to finally put real pressure on Pyongyang. We’ll see if it works.
The record of achievement suggests that, despite the noxious tweets and self-inflicted wounds emanating from the White House, Trump has the potential to become one of the most consequential conservative presidents in modern American history. The question is: Does all this good outweigh the bad?
And finally...
Are you emotionally drained and exhausted? You’re not alone.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-enormous-emotional-toll-of-trumpism?via=twitter_page
9. He has taken a surprisingly tough line with Russia. Trump approved a $47 million arms package for Ukraine, sent troops to Poland’s border with Russia and imposed new sanctions on Moscow for violating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty.
8. He recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Four American presidents promised to do it, but only one actually did. This is why the American people elected Trump. He does what he promises to do, for better or for worse — in this case, definitely for the better. Even Jeb Bush tweeted his approval.
7. He withdrew from the Paris climate agreement. After George W. Bush pulled out of the disastrous Kyoto treaty, U.S. emissions went down faster than much of Europe. The same will be true for Trump’s departure from the Paris accord. Combined with his approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, and opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to exploration, Trump is helping usher in a new age of American energy development.
6. He got NATO allies to kick in $12 billion more toward our collective security. Decades of pleading by the Bush and Obama administrations failed to get NATO allies to meet their financial commitments to the alliance, but Trump’s tough talk and reticence to affirm America’s Article V commitment did the trick. NATO is stronger as a result.
5. He has virtually eliminated the Islamic State’s physical caliphate. Trump removed the constraints Obama placed on our military and let it drive the terrorists from their strongholds.
4. He admitted he was wrong on Afghanistan and reversed Obama’s disastrous withdrawal. In a rare admission, Trump declared: “My original instinct was to pull out . . . But all my life, I’ve heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the Oval Office. . . . A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum for terrorists.”
3. He enacted historic tax and regulatory reform that has unleashed economic growth. Trump signed the first comprehensive tax reform in three decades and removed the wet blanket of Obama-era regulations smothering our economy. We are now heading into our third consecutive quarter of above 3 percent growth.
2. He is installing conservative judges who will preside for decades. With his appointment of Neil M. Gorsuch, Trump secured a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, and he is moving at record pace to fill the federal appeals courts with young conservative judges.
1. He, not Hillary Clinton, was inaugurated as president. Trump delivered the coup de grace that ended the corrupt, dishonest Clinton political machine.
There are many other significant achievements that did not make the top 10. Trump has taken a clear, strong stand against the narco-dictatorship in Venezuela, and he renamed the “Asia-Pacific” the “Indo-Pacific” to include India in the larger task of preventing Chinese hegemony in Asia. Trump has made clear that he is willing to use force to stop North Korea from deploying nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of destroying U.S. cities — which has prompted China to finally put real pressure on Pyongyang. We’ll see if it works.
The record of achievement suggests that, despite the noxious tweets and self-inflicted wounds emanating from the White House, Trump has the potential to become one of the most consequential conservative presidents in modern American history. The question is: Does all this good outweigh the bad?
And finally...
Are you emotionally drained and exhausted? You’re not alone.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-enormous-emotional-toll-of-trumpism?via=twitter_page
2 comments:
Frankly, this is the most comprehensive article I have yet to read that unveils so much information that I will have to return many, many times to be able to digest it all. Thank you, Sally Bahner, for putting this together.
I have tried to understand myself. This is beyond me and maybe I need a Ph.D. to digest it all. I still find it incomprehensible
Thank you for these, they promise to be enormously helpful (though not necessarily encouraging). I have had the same mixed feelings about these two book-length examinations, and hope they may contribute. Scott Adams' "Win Bigly" explores how pro- and anti- folks can draw opposite conclusions from the same visuals, and Hochchild's "Strangers In Their Own Land" goes deeply into truly bewildering conditions that hold for far too many people.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34427205-win-bigly?from_search=true
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
cheers
Barry Davis
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